![]() And to me, that means allowing competition in the marketplace, new entrants to get in.Īnd then finally the algorithms that are really promoting what I think can be a very, very difficult content for parents would be another thing to look at. Secondly, the kids rules, the Online Privacy Act, improving that to include 13 to 15 year olds, and to put in some more rules of the roads of what kids can be exposed to and what advertisements they can receive. It changes the way the whole thing's organized. Parents can opt out of having their data used. What kind of a regulation can even tackle a problem like that?Īmy Klobuchar: Number one. One of the things that Frances Haugen talked about in her testimony that the Wall Street Journal reported was that for one in three teen girls, Instagram makes body image issues worse. I want to stay on kids for just a moment. I just heard a Senator tell me at lunch today that one of his relatives, a kid, had done a public health report on vaping and now has received tons of vaping ads for vaping stuff. They're trying to not have them exposed to content. They're trying to get them off the addiction. Now they find out with some of the recent reporting that Instagram was trying to keep these kids on three to four hours a day and bemoan the fact when it goes to less than three to four hours a day. They're trying to get their kids off the platforms. ![]() Even though there were attempts to undermine her by the company, I think she really gained the trust of the lawmakers and she gained the trust of the public and it opened up a whole new world for people seeing this.Īnd the final thing I'll say about it is parents, I just did a Zoom call with a bunch of parents, and I think for them it was cathartic because they feel so alone. ![]() ![]() What was your reaction when the Wall Street Journal started publishing those stories in September?Īmy Klobuchar: My reaction was, "Finally," and not in terms of the Wall Street Journal, but finally this issue of dominance and the need to protect not only kids but consumers was put in a light that seems real to people. I wanted to start with your reaction to the Wall Street Journal's recent investigative series and Frances Haugen, the Facebook whistleblower's recent testimony, which you of course attended. We have a lot to cover, so I want to get right to it. Senator Klobuchar, thank you so much for joining us. The conversation was part of the Wall Street Journal's Tech Live conference. Yesterday, we spoke with Senator Amy Klobuchar about how these findings have changed her thinking on tech regulation. Still, these documents and the Journal's reporting have been a catalyst for action on Capitol Hill. It also says that Haugen wasn't a senior level employee, and isn't aware of the company's thinking. The company says the documents gathered by Frances Haugen don't accurately portray its efforts to police the platform. It's Wednesday, October 20th.Ĭoming up on the show, senator Amy Klobuchar on how she plans to reign in tech giants like Facebook.įacebook has pushed back on the Wall Street Journal's reporting. Welcome to The Journal, our show about money, business and power. Should these tech companies be broken up? ![]() And yesterday, I sat down with Senator Klobuchar to ask one of the biggest questions in this debate. Ryan Knutson: Klobuchar heads the subcommittee on competition policy, antitrust, and consumer rights, which means she has a lot of power when it comes to regulating tech companies. Haugen, for shedding a light on how Facebook, time and time again, has put profit over people. Among the lawmakers who question Haugen is Senator Amy Klobuchar.Īmy Klobuchar: Thank you very much, Mr. And since they were published, that whistleblower, Frances Haugen, has come forward and testified in front of Congress. The findings are in large part based on an array of internal documents gathered by a whistleblower. Ryan Knutson: Over the past several weeks, the Wall Street Journal has published a series of stories, which show that Facebook knows its platform is causing harm, but in most cases, hasn't taken significant steps to stop it. This version may not be in its final form and may be updated. This transcript was prepared by a transcription service. ![]()
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